For me it is cool whoever wants to call themselves and feel linked by, but I think to start to introduce derivates, will confuse and will disperse it in so many branches at the end.. formators, modificators generators... and the meaning will be completely lost.. For me EXprEsSor has its own base and meaning (maybe because I am the "creator" of it.. which makes me think as creators of something different..it is more Goddy like, and I don't like it, even if I just used to show the difference, you can create but doesn't mean that you can express it or share it) SO.. I don't know.. I'll leave it to you, even if you think about the translation in German.. but for me still a word just formed, capable to be used in any language, like SMO, Trainstation, ... with its own personality! :)

Nada

don't GRRRRRRRRRR. ;-)

I think, a really good idea always stands against many others. So for the one, who would tend to keep artists I just wanted to give another alternative. But it's true, "creator" is not as allround, as "EXprEsSor".

wins.

however, one opinion against many other has no weight in fact of our system.
no suicide dreams, when the synonym is expressOR...

dear greets

kl4ng

Hi Kl4ng and All!

Ich finde es gut, dass Du Deine Meinung so tiefgehend äußerst.

ich habe bisher noch nicht abgestimmt, da meine meinung irgendwo zwischen den Rubriken liegt. Einerseits bezeich e ich mich in der Öffentlichkeit eigentlich nie als Künstler, da dieses für mich eine Assoziation mit Selbstbeweihräucherung trägt. Ich ffreue mich, wenn jemand anderes soetwas über mein Schaffen äußert.Und die Bescheidenheit ist die wahre Zier.
Andererseits sagte Heiner Müller so richtig: Der Text weiß mehr als der Autor, und wenn der Akt des Schaffens aus einer tiefen Verbundenheit mit dem MOMENT und dem gelebten Unbewußten herrührt, dann ist dieses für mich auch schon Kunst.
Und Andere mögen dann dies erleben und wenn sie denn wollen, der Sache einen Namen geben.

Das höchste Ziel liegt für mich hierbei in 2 Dingen:
1. Meinem und dem gemeinsamen Erleben des Schaffens
2. Das konservieren und transportieren von Gefühlen.

In der Summe dieser meiner Meinung empfinde ich die Rubrik "artists" als eine annehmbare Form, da ich als deutscher Muttersprachler eher eine Assoziation mit Artist (ihr wisst schon, Bälle jonglieren während man in 15 Meter Höhe über ein dünnes Stahlseil läuft) habe.
Wenn dort "Künstler" stehen würde, hätte ich mehr Probleme damit, ich denke ähnlich wie Marta, da ich dann die Assoziation mit rotem Schal tragenden hoch wichtige Gespräche führenden und in sich selbst vergessenen Gestalten habe.

Insofern tendiere ich zu etwas wie "Schaffende" oder "Creators" (lateinisch: creare: leben einhauchen), da es das wichtigste für mich ist, dass Menschen Energie in die Richtung der von mir skizzierten, höchsten Ziele investieren.

Dank an kl4ng für seine Impulse und Euch allen eine schöne Adventsnacht...

DyanGo

I was the lonesome voice against all the others and I see the result democratic. My voice stands alone, almost against all the others and at first I did not plan to express it at all, actually, because I can accept democratic decisions.

However, I was asked to tell my opinion, why I don't like the suggestion of Martha, who I value very much.

I will do this in German, because my English is not sactisfactory to express it properly and ask for a translation of my words, for Martha!
[Wound: which I do now]


If I read the word "expressor" and speak it loud, my harmonious feeling struggles against the sound of the word. Each syllable of the word appears to be negative to me. It is too hard to me.

EX = past beloved and respected;
PRESS - pressure-like feeling to have to act quickly and "must";
together "EXPRESS" embodies for me a lot in this world that I don't like and feel awkward, such as "quickly quickly fast", imparatives, "to must", "pressure of time", only to mention something.
"SSOR" = sounds to me as an extremely dominant ending of a word and I also am not consistent with it. Dominator, Terminator ... I have no idea, how to better describe it.

In addition I struggle against this change, because I
very proudly let my self be called an "ART-IST".
I would feel only half as good if I should suddenly be an Expressor, because the connection with this sound simply does not present itself to me.

As you can see, it is an emotional thing and it is very hard for me to talk so openly about it here, because I don't want to hurt anyone want to annoy anyone and almost everyone has shouted "Hooray", immediately.
I have an amount of negative thoughts in the back of my head what may be thought about the fact that Schwarm (kl4ng) again tells his emotional stories... However, I stand by this and I am OK with myself as I am writing this.

"Art-ist" ("Kunst-ist")

Martha, your definition of your word, is for me one of the symbols of the loud "INDIGO".

Citation Martha: " Human being which use a way to interact with life, expressing creations in many differents forms, to be part of the sharing of the whole ."

Unfortunately, I also have extreme problems with my understanding of English and also the English translator not always helps me to fully understand what is important.

" so much to the expressionism ":-)


To 4ll the indigos.

kl4ng

I think I respect you with all my heart and I am very glad that you express your opinion. It is fare to have 2 distinctive definitions and the rest can pick up whatever suits better, or even if they don't like any of the terms at all. The votes procession are going to last, at least, for a week, so everybody who has a voice and a vote can do it in this period. My repeated quotation to "IF'S", in a last message wanted to point out the mere visual part of the word, in the blog, as I thought Wound were shoting for those lands.. but always with an IF.

With the last explanation, I don't mind either what the result is going to end up. I will still referring myself as an EXprEsSor for my own individual freedom and choice, respecting the rest if they want to call themselves artists, a term very miss use in this city and not very appealing label to me.(I wont mind if in the column of info, projects, gallery, keeps artist and I am included in the list, but in my personal life, I wont use it)

In my peaceful answer to your message: If we dig in a very negative mirror, of course we are going to find negative reflections. Not everything which seems negative must be, in fact can be possible the opposite. Art "a form of "EXPRESSION", Expression a from of freedom itself." Me, the EXprEsSoR of my own freedom and crativity. If I condemn myself to the division of the word, and I don't want to enter in linguistics, sometimes is good to look back to the bad times to be better now(even if is an EX relationship, I think I was speaking with you about letting go negative experiences, to be able to take the positive meaning to go forward, something I am still in learning process..) Maybe that "press-or" is what you feel before the explosion of the blooming of the infinite ideas extending like the Big Bang into the universe, reinventing themselves, expressing. How do you feel sometimes, when an idea floats continously in your head, shouting for its own realitation, sometimes in a very "express" way.. sleepless nights, and wonders into daily life, suffering the regret for not taking into your hands the realitation, NOW!

It just depends how you look at things. Referring to a good thinker whoever he/she was, "Beauty solely exist in the eye of the beholder". For my eyes, EXprEsSor open my chest to bring my freedom into this reality and share it with you. Of course is an strong term, must be. What it will be of a poor weak form of my freedom? It wont last, it wont be real, even if it length of its existence in this world last a second, I want that second to be the strongest and brightest of all, so shall I be. And my personal likings or acts aren't in any -trix -tor way, I think..

I am sorry if you think I took the term from INDIGO, which I respect very much. I did not, if it has similarities, well there will be light to synonymous words. It was NOT my intention, and it purely was created by a conversation with Wound, because I just want to Express all what I have inside, and the game of words express, expression.. EXprEsSoR!! (even Wound made a joke with the game of words of referring to me, "You are sometimes like an expresso coffee, strong, dark and bitter, but sometimes people like you sweet".. naughty Wound, he, he :)

I just reborn again and attached to me was this term, so I took it under my free wings and share it. I will grow with it, and it will grow with me.

Just for the miss use:
I live on top of the Art University, I have many artist known people around, and I don't want to be one of them, I don't want to be label as an artist. Maybe is this negative conditioning.. but maybe I saw too many rotten hearts, with so much self center occupation in their heads, suffocating my ears with their solely selling ideas, and very arrogant attitude to survive the many depretors circling this town..


Please, beautiful people use my nickname if you are referring to me, whisper: and without "h" if you forget..

Lots of love and big hugs xxxx

Nada

Ja dem stimme ich mal so zu. Ohne Abstriche. Mein englisch ist auch bescheiden, deshalb werde ich mich auch nur in dt Sprache ausdrüken. Ist halt so. Trennschleifer

Well when Wound called me a wolf, was because he thought I was too defensive with the baby word. Yes, I probably sound like it (and I adore wolfs).

My worry came into many different branches of the same meaning, but seeing is beleaving, and there is not forward if you don't go backward. Creators, nice latin root meaning, thanx Dyango, INDIGOS, EXprEsSors, Artists, and usw usw.. What clothes you weare and how confortable you feel about it, for me is the same, I did not wanted to end up with an infinite words pull, in fact I think I find more interesting the discussion than the result.(individually, shapes more the meaning for me than it had before)

I neither wanted to confront anyone, or upset their feelings respect how confortable a word suits.

so.. I apologize about my intensity, can be misleading..

Hugs xx

Nada

Excuse me... I love your intensity!

I don´t know.
I am an Artist with light. I create moods with it. I express myself in many different ways. Music, pictures. In this blog i am contributor, putting my thoughts and dreams into words. I am impressed by all your ideas, thoughts and dreams and it´s nice to be a co-worker and a member, a dreamer and a realist in this big "familiy".

So why do we have to find one single word for all of us indigos?

it wasn´t a real question. ;-)

While I wrote this, I have just used one term, that is extremely suitable, too:
"the pack"

I am completely with you!! 200%, all of you.. very nice message, PaniK.. Better to leave it as it is..

:))

Nada